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Photo
#1: This photograph was posted on Reddit in r/WWIIplanes; the date
given on the Reddit page for its posting is "1y ago" and since this Blog
page is being created on January 11, 2025, the photo was posted on
Reddit sometime around the same date in January 2024. The caption
provided with the photo by the Reddit poster was: "A Consolidated B-24
Liberator of the 15th Air Force comes through an intense and accurate
flak barrage over Vienna on October 13, 1944."
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Points
to note on Photo #1: The large flak burst at top middle of the photo;
the large cloud formation at the right of the photo; and in the upper
right corner of the photo is a portion of the inside of the port
vertical stabilizer of another B-24 (thus it would appear that the
photograph was taken from the port waist window).
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Photo
#2: Unfortunately, I only have a small low quality image of this
photograph. I have not been able to find a better copy (or any copy) of
this photo online). I found this version some years ago and it included
this caption: "A Consolidated B-24H Liberator of the 725th Bombardment
Squadron, 451st
Bombardment Group (H), 15th US Air Force, emerges from “Flak Alley” over
Vienna, Austria with its No. 2 engine smoking but homeward bound. It's
not known for sure if it made its way back safely to base in San
Pancrazio, Italy. 17 March 1944. The combat mission was to destroy an
aircraft assembly plant at Schwechat near Vienna in Austria. Weather
clear to Yugoslavian coast, then solid overcast all the way over target.
Clouds up to 20,000 feet. Encountered some ack-ack at different points
en route and returning from target. None over target. All aircraft
returned bar one, which had to turn back at Zagreb and ditched in the
Adriatic (all crew lost)." |
As
you can see it is nearly identical to Photo #1, yet it has a different
date: 17 March 1944 while Photo #1's caption stated October 13, 1944.
Your first inclination is to simply say, "They are two different
photographs taken at two different times." But are they? How can two
photos taken months apart look almost identical? The cloud formation is
identical; the flak formation is identical, especially in the upper half
of the photo; note the large flak burst in the middle top of the photo -
it is the lower portion of the large flak burst in Photo #1. Also, note
the flak bursts in the lower portion of the photo: some can be found in
Photo #1, but some cannot. Especially note the flak bursts just below
the inboard port engine, which are not there in Photo #1 (those bursts
are not really "below" the engine, of course, they were actually some
distance away from the actual plane at the time, but for the purpose of
this discussion they are "below" the engine). Also note in the upper
right corner a portion of the port stabilizer of the B-24.
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Photo
#3: Okay, so at first glance this looks like a totally different scene
and you might just say that this is a different plane on a different
mission on a different day. But look closer. Note the cloud formation
and the flak formation - there are many similarities and in some cases,
there are parts that are identical to the cloud formation in Photos #1
and #2. I believe that Photos #1 and #2 were taken just a second or two
apart, while Photo #3 was taken several or more seconds after the first
two and the plane was moving away from the flak and clouds and that the
photographer was able to get a more clear photo. Again, note in the
upper right corner a portion of the port stabilizer of the B-24. The
chances of two or three photos taken on different days/missions having
that stabilizer in exactly the same position in each photo would by
improbable if not impossible.
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Photo
#3 can be seen on literally dozens of web pages and the caption is
almost identical in every case: "B-24H Liberator “Scrappy” with the
725th Bomb Squadron trails smoke and is losing altitude east of Zagreb,
Yugoslavia, 23 August 1944." Some also add this to the caption: "The
plane crashed near Zdenci, Yugoslavia." Note that this photo caption
gives yet a third date: 23 August 1944.
Photo #1 I have seen several times online, but Photo #2 I only saw it once and have been unable to find it again.
Here are some additional details:
First,
I am convinced that all three photos show the same B-24 on the same
mission, but what day did this mission take place? Since Photo #3 gives
the nickname of the aircraft as "Scrappy" as well as the bomb squadron,
725th, that makes it easy to get the bomb group, 451st. Note that Photo
#1 only provided the 15th Air Force, but not the squadron or group,
while Photo #2 gave all three.
By searching for the plane's name "Scrappy" this information was obtained, compiled from various web sites:
The
first web site provided this: "28816 (451st BG, 725th BS, *Scrappy*)
lost Aug 22, 1944 over Hungary on mission to Vienna. MACR 8005" from
Joe Baugher's "USAF Serial Number Search Results" page.
And
also from Joe's web site we find this: 28816 (451st BG, 725th BS, 15th
AF, *Scrappy*, based at Castelluccio Airfield, Foggia, Italy). Crashed
Aug 22, 1944 at Konsarnoz, Yugoslavia Due to Engine Failure While
Returning From a Mission on The Lobau Oil Storage Installations at
Vienna, Austria. All (11) Crew Bailed Out and (7) Were Captured and
Became POWs. Released in 1945. (4) Crew Evaded Capture. MACR 8005"
["1941 USAAF Serial Numbers" page]
From
a table on the 451st Bomb Group web site there is a table featuring the
"451st Bomb Group Aircraft Inventory" and this information is provided:
Serial number 41-28816; Aircraft block number H-15-DT; Project 90527-R;
Aircraft finish OD; Squadron 725; Aircraft number 57; Date assigned
4/9/1944; Aircraft name Scrappy; Disposition MIA; Date 8/22/1944; IARC
ACR-34; MACR 8005.
Note
that this table claims that "Scrappy" was in an OD = Olive Drab finish,
which as we can easily see that it was in natural metal finish in these
three photos. Of course, it may have been in OD finish originally, and
then stripped before this mission.
At
another web page, "World War II Flight Training Museum and 63rd AAF
Flying Training Detachment, Douglas, Georgia, Class 1944-A" comes this
information for 2nd Lt. Robert Louis Worsthorn, pilot of "Scrappy": "He
graduated from Turner Field in Albany, GA, S/N: O-820925. He was
assigned to the 2nd A.F. at Salt Lake City. He flew B-24s with the 15th
A.F., 451st Bomb Gp, 725th Bomb Sqdn. in Italy. On Aug. 22, 1944, he was
flying a B-24H (S/N: 41-28816 "Scrappy") on a bombing mission from
Castellucio Air Field, Italy to Vienna, Austria when it was hit after
bombs away. One engine was feathered and it dropped back. The crew
bailed out over Yugoslavia and most were taken P.O.W.s (MACR #8005). He
evaded capture and returned to the base."
MilitaryImages.Net
web site has Photo #3 posted on 23 August 2022 with these details:
B-24H Liberator “Scrappy” with the 725th Bomb Squadron trails smoke and
is losing altitude east of Zagreb, Yugoslavia, 22 August 1944. It seems
most of the crew bailed out and was captured. The pilot, co-pilot, and
left waist gunner were not captured and made it back to base. The last
question on the third page (part of a questionnaire filled out by
returning crewmen after the war) I uploaded provides these details from
another crew member: "Pilot and copilot made it back to the base and
completed their missions. Left waist gunner also made it back but was
killed later in a crack-up on take off. Written to me by my nose gunner
who contacted folks when he reached the states." This is again shown on
the list of crew on the fourth page where the pilot, co-pilot and Cpl
Cross (the tail gunner) are listed as "fugitive, has been returned". I
believe the left-waist gunner was Clinton E Cross who was killed a few
months later in November of 1944. A few other crew members I was able to
find graves for were Loren Urseth -- Tail Gunner (passed away in 1971)
and Jerome B Finegold -- Bombardier (passed away in 2009).
From
the book "B-24 Liberators of the 15th Air Force/49th Bomb Wing in World
War II" comes this information: "41-28816 SCRAPPY (725th #57) Departed
the USA on March 20, 1944. She was flown overseas by Crew #30, commanded
by Joseph Younger. SCAPPY was lost on Mission 108 to Vienna. R.L.
Worsthorn and his crew were able to bailout. (MACR # 8005)."
And
from the same book is this information: "44-10632 (725th ) Left the USA
for Italy on August 8, 1944, and arrived at the group on August 11,
1944, to replace 4128816 SCRAPPY. Left the group for unknown
reasons on November 11, 1944, and returned on December 16, 1944. Crash
landed at Foggia Main on January 20,1945, returning from Mission #182 to
Linz, Austria."
Unfortunately
there is no photo of this aircraft in the book, but it might be safe to
assume that this aircraft was never in OD and was delivered in Natural
Metal finish. So, could it be that the plane in Photos #1-3 is this B-24
and not "Scrappy"? And that OD "Scrappy" 41-28816 was lost on
the August 22, 1944 mission (while still in OD finish?) and Photos #1-3
are of 44-10632 during the January 20, 1945 mission to Linz, Austria,
which fits some of the details in Photos #1-3; or was 44-10632 damaged
during a mission or or around November 11, 1944 and then underwent
repair and returned to the group on December 16, 1944?
The same book does have a photo of the OD finish "Scrappy":
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This
is the nose of 41-28816 "Scrappy". Note the panel with the mission
markings - there is a similarly shaped panel on the aircraft in Photos
#1-3, in the same position on both aircraft. There does not appear to be
any nose artwork on the aircraft in those three photos, but that could
have been removed when the aircraft had its camouflage finish removed.
The aircraft number "57" can be faintly seen in Photos #1 and #3, just
forward of the bomb bay doors, apparently in a light colored paint
(yellow?). [Photos #1 and #3 are large format photos and you can
download a copy by clicking on the photos above and then save a copy of
each image.]
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The
National Archives has Photo #1 which I accessed through the Fold3 web
site. Information included on the photograph itself lists the date as
October 13, 1944, however this is incorrect; the August 22, 1944 date is
correct for this photo. No other photos of this aircraft were found on
Fold3.
So,
it may be that the B-24 in Photos #1-3 are "Scrappy" 41-28816 after
having had its camouflage finish removed prior to the August 22, 1944
mission.
If
so, then the three photos show 41-28816 on the August 22, 1944 mission
when it was hit by flak and later crash-landed and most of its crew
captured, while the rest managed to escape captivity.
This
is what can happen when facts are mixed up or incorrect dates and
details are contained in documents and photograph captions. I have come
across this sort of thing fairly often over the years.